You Can Say
November 11, 2013
The last previous post, titled “You Don’t Say”, pointed to duplicity of information from El Parque’s administration. As is common, user comments swung it to other matters. That is ok. What people have to say, and that they do, may be more important than what they are told. This post will not propose an initial direction. Take it where you will.
The implication for this blog is it should not be about talking to people. Instead it should lend itself to being a medium for them to speak with each other. Compare to a single authored book intended for reading contrasted with one that all are invited to join in writing.
The blog contains much more than appears on its top post. Older posts had been archived and did not allow further comments. That has changed. Most now accept comments. Issues raised on many are still timely. However, searching for new material on each by click and scroll is too tedious. There is an easier way.
If you have not already, as many have, you may elect to receive email notifications of new material as enabled on the site introduction. Notifications give the locations of new material, making it easy to reach and add to. Chances are comments on older posts will be missed by any not opting to receive notifications. We’ll let that remain their problem.
Good idea! The last train of comments under You Don't Say evolved into an interesting, informative and quite wide ranging discussion. With the election of a "new board" within the next few months, we MAY start to see some important changes in the interaction between the administration and homeowners. My hope is that these will be positive changes. Fingers crossed ...
posted by Anonymous: 8:52 AM, November 12, 2013
Again the Board takes an action that conflicts with Jalisco Civil Code. They took it upon themselves to set the interest rate that can be charged for late payment to a flat rate of 25%. The Jalisco Civil Code in Book 3 Title 6 Chapter 5 Article 1028 explicitly states the interest rate that can be charged for late payment.
Just like Jim R. Casa 9 stated the Board needs to obtain legal advice to avoid making ill-advised decisions.
posted by Anonymous: 11:55 AM, November 12, 2013
25%!?! That's just nonsense. Yes, Jim R. is right that the board (especially this current version) does need reliable legal advice, since our administrator seems unable to fulfill that important aspect of her job. Of course, the board would need to be persuaded that they actually DO need to seek and follow advice.
posted by Anonymous: 1:19 PM, November 12, 2013
25 percent is much lower than the amount allowed by the Jalisco code so perhaps if all the information was presented, rather than half truths, then people would see that the Board is not exercising the penalty at its fullest rate. This is the problem with those against the administration - they feed everyone snippets of information and skew it to their advantage.
posted by Anonymous: 2:02 PM, November 12, 2013
I wonder if the Labor Board will charge the 25%++ interest on all the back pay, vacation pay, and penalty fees that is owed to Antonio? Certainly won't come out of my pocket!
posted by Anonymous: 2:44 PM, November 12, 2013
Anon: 2:02 November 12, 2013 you make me laugh:-) You needed to seek legal advice before making such a ridiculous statement. Since when was this Administration given the authority to modify Jalisco law?
posted by Anonymous: 2:54 PM, November 12, 2013
There should not be an extended debate back and forth about whether 25% is legal or not. This is a very simple legal question to which a professional lawyer could give an unqualified answer in about five minutes. Again, this is why I have recommended hiring such a lawyer.
The question is so simple that even I could answer it. But, unfortunately, this would only lead to my being attacked for wanting to be a board member or not really being a lawyer after all.
posted by Jim R., Casa 9: 8:17 PM, November 12, 2013
Well, I for one have several questions about today's BOD meeting.
1) Where the hell are the BCF funds if you say they are "missing"?? Like how, why and how much has gone missing??
2) Why are the funds in HSBC account "FROZEN"??? Nice announcement with no explanations guys! Do we look like a bunch of idiots that don't have enough sense to ask?
3) So what reason did Dona give for turning in her resignation from the BOD?
4) Since when does the BOD or the Administrator have control of the employees "OFF" hours? Last I knew they were not our indentured servants. If these people have a chance to make extra money to provide for their families they should be able to do so without interference from the BOD. If the BOD or the Admin. want to restrict employees side jobs in EP to 1 hour a day between 5 and 6pm, then they should start with our over paid Administrator and her immigration job that she does out of OUR office and during the time WE pay her for! This BOD is way overstepping their boundaries ! Do they think they're running a dictatorship here?
posted by Anonymous: 9:43 PM, November 12, 2013
Though I sense other motivation, maybe Jim R is right in his quest for another lawyer. Being of positive nature, I would like to join him in that with a suggestion.
I know we already have two attorneys who should by position have expertise in condo law. We don’t know who one is. Those who have been harassed by our administrator or love her for it certainly know the other.
We are affected by another local attorney who through condo law acumen seems to have both of ours jumping through hoops and tripping over themselves with each try. That is the one now employed by John H.
After that matter is settled, either through his attorney’s expertise or our vindictiveness, and I am betting on the former, I suggest we look into hiring him. Besides, I think he may be the same one who had the entire board of directors of an El Dorado condo thrown in jail. Who could ask for more?
posted by Anonymous: 7:30 AM, November 13, 2013
OLAY! OLAY! HOT! HOT!
Way to go guys!
posted by Anonymous: 7:57 AM, November 13, 2013
Since I was in law school, I have always believed that, all things being equal, the smarter lawyer wins.
posted by Jim R., Casa 9: 9:19 AM, November 13, 2013
We're not getting the kind of information we need from the BOD that we should be getting regarding any of the issues at hand. We need an informational meeting not so much to decide anything but to ask questions and get answers. There seems to be far more happening with the Administration than is being communicated and the secrecy is a major concern to me. Apparently we have money missing and bank accounts frozen and lawsuits going on that we are not even aware of. I'm beginning to think that money sitting in the court might be a more secure place than in the hands of the BOD. You are accountable to the homeowners so how about filling us in on what's going on!
posted by Anonymous: 9:36 AM, November 13, 2013
I would guess that the problem is not so much which attorney is smarter but more about what information is provided to them and what is withheld. Garbage in-garbage out.
posted by Anonymous: 9:40 AM, November 13, 2013
you are a group of hateful, spiteful individuals. Remember - what goes around comes around.
posted by Anonymous: 9:57 AM, November 13, 2013
I see you are a very happy person. ja ja ja.
posted by Anonymous: 10:23 AM, November 13, 2013
Re. 9:57 ... hateful? spiteful? Are you KIDDING?! As far as I'm aware, neither the usual ("Troublemaker") contributors to this blog nor its moderator have ever attempted to have homeowners deported or criminally prosecuted, or to have orchestrated public vilification, smear campaigns, lynch mob meetings, etc. etc. But I DO agree that "what goes around comes around" ...
posted by Anonymous: 10:49 AM, November 13, 2013
I'm not even sure who's calling who hateful and spiteful? What I do know is that EP seems to have the monopoly on mean, hateful, evil, spiteful, vicious and vindictive people
posted by Anonymous: 1:46 PM, November 13, 2013
Having been and seen others be the recipient of attacks by a very mean spirited BoD and some residents of EP I'll say again to those folks;
The rotten apple has just about ruined the whole barrel so what do you do with a barred full of rotten apples?
You dispose of it any way you can!
posted by Anonymous: 3:00 PM, November 13, 2013
to anonymous 9"43 pm Nov. 12 - can't figure out what meeting you attended , since your version of what was discussed is very different than what actually transpired at the board meeting - maybe you are getting your information second hand and are not being given all the information - once again half truths - information distorted to suit yourselves. And what is it with BOLD letters for certain words - do you think people aren't getting your point
posted by Anonymous: 3:18 PM, November 13, 2013
The following was posed by Anonymous: 9:57 AM, November 13, 2013
"you are a group of hateful, spiteful individuals. Remember - what goes around comes around."
How can anyone respond to a post like that? He/she obviously believes that there exists not one individual but a whole group of individuals who are hateful and spiteful. It doesn't make sense that anyone would just make that accusation without some reason or provocation. I might even tend to agree with him/her if I had any kind of clue about what specific hateful and/or spiteful stuff brought this on or why he/she thinks some "group" is involved. I can't even figure out what the poster thinks is going around that will come around.
Help me out here, poster. If this is just name calling or you simply believe that no homeowner has the right to question or criticize any actions or intentions of the board or Administrator, you need not reply. If, however, you believe there have been specific unwarranted instances of hateful spiteful actions or words linked to some kind of group, please provide some details and examples. Believe it or not I might agree with you if I knew some specifics.
posted by Anonymous: 6:51 PM, November 13, 2013
Anonymous 6:51. Seeing as you know how to get on this blog, it's doubtful your in the dark about the things that go on in EP.
posted by Anonymous: 9:19 PM, November 13, 2013
Oops that post was in response to Anonymous 6:51
posted by Anonymous: 9:21 PM, November 13, 2013
To Anonymous 3:18
Thank you for the critique but if I misunderstood what was said in the meeting and you heard things differently, it would be beneficial if you shared your understanding of what was said as opposed to just saying that I got it wrong. I'd be most interested in your perception of those particular discussions because any of those topics may barely get a mention when the minutes come out two weeks from now.
posted by Anonymous: 9:26 AM, November 14, 2013
To anonymous 9:57
I'm hopping your comment is in reference to some Board members, the Administrator, and the "linch mob" of Nov 17th 2012? Please tell me I'm correct. Thanks.
posted by Anonymous: 9:33 AM, November 14, 2013
Re. Anon. 9:36 am Nov 13 and 9:26am Nov 14 -- I am also concerned with what is going on within the Administration with respect to lawsuits (?), frozen bank accounts, missing money, the "fee payment" issue, etc. etc. Since we can't rely on the Minutes of BoD meetings to provide sufficiently detailed information on issues of direct relevance to homeowners, perhaps this blog is a forum where those who purport to "know" can fill us in on some details. Somehow, I'm not hopeful that much or anything will be revealed at the upcoming meeting(s?) given the lynch mob dynamic that clearly has carried over from last year.
posted by Anonymous: 10:51 AM, November 14, 2013
to anonymous 9:13 Nov 14 (Edit: User reference error. Possibly intended "9:33 Nov 14") - you have quite the sense of humor - the remarks were definitely not directed to the Board or our administrator so you will have to look at the other option out there.
posted by Anonymous: 12:36 PM, November 14, 2013
to anonymous 12:36
Yea! the "linch mob" of Nov 17, 2012 orchestrated by our illustrious President. Some people are lower than a snakes belly. That was not a joke or funny....Maybe they need "TIME OUT" Yes?
posted by Anonymous: 3:32 PM, November 14, 2013
to Anonymous: 3:18 PM, November 13, 2013 - I'm very confused. You refuted another poster regarding the recent board meeting and disagreed with that poster's version. Are you stating that the none of the subjects of the BCF fund, the HSBC account, Dona's resignation, and an employee's off-duty work were not mentioned or discussed at all during the meeting? Your other comments are interesting but irrelevant. If the above subjects were addressed, I think everyone would like to know what was said or decided. I'm particularly interested in the half-truth you seem concerned about. I, too, dislike half-truths. To what specifically were you referring?
posted by Anonymous: 3:55 PM, November 14, 2013
This was posted by Anonymous: 9:19 PM, November 13, 2013
Anonymous 6:51. "Seeing as you know how to get on this blog, it's doubtful your in the dark about the things that go on in EP".
My reply: You're are absolutely correct. I do know about "the things,etc". Since you have posted on this blog, you realize that it is a forum that allows you to express your opinion and you have done so. I also realize that SOME of the posts on this blog, taken individually, could legitimize your opinion regarding spiteful, hateful rhetoric. Those posts are (forgive me) like yours simply opinions that reveal no specific information about why they have that opinion. MOST of the posts, however, include specific information, true or untrue, that the poster believes forms a solid basis for any opinions they express. Could it be that you are ignoring the information, valid or invalid, that is the basis for those opinions that you perceive to be hateful or spiteful?
I questioned your reasons for believing that some unidentified "group" is hateful and spiteful. You are giving me no basis whatsoever for your opinion. The whole purpose of this blog is to allow posters to share information and their resultant opinions and, more importantly, to have those opinions AND information validated or invalidated by others. Opinions mean little. The information on which those opinions are based could be important and informative. Can I assume that there were specific posts that you felt contained invalid information that led some mysterious group to form hateful, spiteful opinions? Your reply implied that I know why you think there exists a group of hateful, spiteful individuals. I'm sorry to report that, unless you provide some kind of information that would allow me to evaluate your opinion, I have to assume you hate some hateful, spiteful group for no reason whatsoever.
In closing I hope that ALL posters cease and desist posting epithets and rants that are unsupported by any reasoning whatsoever.
posted by Anonymous: 8:36 AM, November 15, 2013
I CAN SAY that today is the one year anniversary of the visit by two immigration officers to question Howard and I, Howard for providing music as a DJ and me for looking after homes. Their Paddy Wagon was parked in front of our driveway ready to take us away like common criminals. We know who orchestrated this visit and why.
posted by Howard and Diane Casa 2: 9:32 AM, November 15, 2013
The anonymous 9:57 AM, November 13, 2013 charge of “you are a group of hateful, spiteful individuals. Remember - what goes around comes around.” raised quite an indignant outpouring. Mine is offered to further demonstrate initiating a pissing contest may bring one to be seen as all wet.
I believe there does exist a “group of hateful, spiteful individuals” but composed of others than I sense 9:57 had if mind. Heeding 8:36 AM, November 15’s, plea that beliefs be supported, my hateful’s and spiteful’s speak for themselves.
This blog’s post titled “THERE ARE NO BAD GUYS HERE”, abbreviated “(NO BAD GUYS)” on the blog menu, contains a comment entered at 4:10 PM, November 18, 2012. It offers a brief summation of the November 17, 2012 homeowner meeting and concludes with linking to an audio recording of the entire debacle.
There you can hear a great many hateful and spiteful individuals declare their qualifications for group membership. Listening may be a two for one. As likely preview of this year’s encore, it can save the bother of attending, as it has for me.
As to the “what goes around comes around.”? You betcha 9:57!
posted by Anonymous: 1:17 ¨PM, November 15, 2013
Rely to 9:19
I'd be interested in knowing where you purchased your rose colored glasses that afford you the rosy view of things that have gone on in EP. Perhaps they would improve the world I see inside these walls.
The other possibility is that you are a seasonal resident and believe only what you can see with your own eyes. In that case, everything on this blog is conjecture and you can choose to ignore any or all of it. So why bother posting at all? It would be impossible for me to recreate every despicable situation, every ugly email that has circulated and every hateful comment that has taken place even prior to the last home owners meeting when things got especially ugly. If you think what took place then is not disturbing and does not depict mob mentality than there is not much else I can say.
posted by Anonymous: 1:23 PM, November 15, 2013
Re. Howard & Diane 9:32 am. A whole year?! Well, that was only the first attempt to have you two deported, if I remember correctly.
You know, at the time I was sure that other homeowners would be appalled at that action and would, out of common decency, question the board's actions etc. Boy, was I wrong.
posted by Fed Up: 1:33 PM, November 15, 2013
Re. Howard and Diane, and others subjected to similar treatment over the past year -- The posts under "Deportation" and "Crime Wave" provide plenty of information and substantiation about these egregious actions on the part of members of the administration that most homeowners prefer to simply ignore. Amazing, and puzzling. Even more recently, under the title "You Don't Say", Jim R. specifically refused to entertain any comments regarding those events, although he seemed miffed when some comments were simply critical of what he had to say. How would Jim R. or any other homeowner feel if they were targeted and threatened with deportation and criminal prosecution? Guess we don't want to think about that ... easier to just pretend it didn't happen. What is more troubling is that at least some homeowners must have actually approved of these actions, given their behavior at the November lynch mob meeting of last year. Crazy place ...
posted by Anonymous: 6:59 AM, November 16, 2013
For those who have suffered, continue suffering, yet will suffer, and even unknowingly suffer harassments of El Parque's administration, its partners, champions, toadies, and adoring ignoramuses, howling, hushed, or secretive, I leave a quote of Steven Winterburn: "Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self esteem, first make sure you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes."
posted by Anonymous: 10:19 AM, November 16, 2013
Good quote! Interestingly, none of the "assholes" seems inclined to come on this blog and justify these particular actions of the administration. They may have approved, but hard to defend, I suppose ...
posted by Anonymous: 12:06 PM, November 16, 2013
10:19 and 12:06
I, unfortunately, agree with you.
posted by Anonymous: 4:03 PM, November 16, 2013
I have only been back a couple of weeks and already I have seen how controlling this Board is. It's definitely time to tighten the reins and define their duties and limitations. It's well known that they and the Administrator were responsible for several outrageous actions and should be held accountable.
posted by Anonymous: 6:23 PM, November 16, 2013
Yes we are just surrounded by "assholes" as most have their head buried in the ground.
posted by Anonymous: 6:51 PM, November 16, 2013
Agree that Board members and Administrator should be "held accountable" for their actions and should be reigned in. But how? Even on this blog, when mention is made of deportation efforts, etc. etc., there is just stony silence from those who otherwise are quite happy to call the dissenters "hateful and spiteful". We'll see what happens at the upcoming meetings, but my feeling is that most homeowners will simply refuse to recognize what's been happening, as usual.
posted by Anonymous: 7:11 AM, November 17, 2013
If there is no demand for accountability of the BOD and the Admin. by the homeowners this year then one may assume that behavior is perfectly acceptable to them.
Four or five years ago I would never have believed all this was possible but it is. If we don't get a grip on this place this year, I see things only getting worse. None of this could have happened if our Administrator had behaved in a professional manner. An unprofessional Board got an unprofessional Administrator to involve government officials in the lives of our homeowners.
Outrageous acts such as calling Immigration officials in to try and have homeowners deported and even going so far as calling the Army in by the truck load, fully armed, on false allegations, to the gates of El Parque. If the majority of homeowners find all that acceptable than they deserve no less when it happens to them.
Instead of whining about John H, whose money is in the court waiting for us, we have far more serious matters to attend to. That means not renewing the Administrators contract this year and finding someone more befitting the job.
posted by Anonymous: 10:50 AM, November 17, 2013
On the anniversary of the "Lynch Mob" attack. You hit the nail right on the head. Will they notice? I doubt it!
posted by Anonymous: 11:58 AM, November 17, 2013
I agree with Anon. 10:50 in general and specifically with regard to not renewing the Administrator's contract.
When I raised the same issue recently (under "You Don't Say"), Jim R. simply dismissed the notion and put forward the view that she could be "managed" in some way or another and that getting rid of her was not "doable". Although I disagree with Jim R., I am concerned that he is reflecting some kind of majority view (or probably apathy) that will stand in the way of making some of the essential and crucial changes to the administration of El Parque. The election of a "new" Board & President may in fact be the only way out of this quagmire, if there is a way out.
posted by Anonymous: 12:42 PM, November 17, 2013
Reply to Anon. 12:42
Yes, I agree the Administrator has been "managed" as you say and very poorly managed at that! Problem is, she's suppose to be doing the "managing" !
posted by Anonymous: 9:36 PM, November 17, 2013
I'm looking forward to the Dec 5 meeting, why? because I believe the home owners may have had a change of heart when looking back at how badly some behaved Nov 17, 2012. Will we see grown ups behave like adults or spoiled kids having a tantrum. Let's hope for the best.
posted by Anonymous: 10:29 AM, November 18, 2013
I'm not holding my breath. But, yes it would be nice to see adults behave normally but then again I'm not holding my breath. Vanity prevails.
posted by Anonymous: 9:40 AM, November 19, 2013
Re the post ab our administrator is supposed to be doing the managing. Ummmm. I believe the Board has the right to fire her so following orders is in her best interest. A previous administrator left because Board members were micro-managing him and this was years ago.
posted by Sandy Kramer: 5:19 PM, November 20, 2013
Reply to Sandy
Yes, Ummmm, gives one points to ponder doesn't it? If a manager is not willing or allowed to manage than what is the point of having one? Why do we spend good money to have a figure head who cannot or is not allowed to do the job for which they were hired and being paid for. Two of the worst micro-managers have been Don W. and Bruce C. and with both of them it's not so much micro-managing, it's all about power, control and manipulation.
We should also demand to know WHO has given our Administrator the authority to operate her own private business out of our EP office, during the hours that we are paying her for.
posted by Anonymous: 1:34 PM, November 21, 2013
I'm not sure I understand your point, Sandy. Could you elaborate? (This IS meant courteously.)
posted by Anonymous: 1:59 PM, November 21, 2013
It was in reply to Anon 12:42 who said the manager is supposed to be the one managing. The boss(es) decide whether she has a job or not. An employee who contradicts too much ain't gonna last. Hope this is now clear.
posted by Sandy Kramer: 7:49 AM, November 22, 2013
Last post was meant to be annomous
posted by Anonymous: 7:53 AM, November 22, 2013
"Happy Thanksgiving" to all our American friends. Have a great time down at the beach.
posted by Anonymous: 8:22 AM, November 23, 2013
Where are the minutes of the last BoD meeting? Is the secretary looking for another assistant secretary?
posted by Anonymous: 9:32 AM, November 26, 2013
Maybe we will not receive any, minutes that is. The Dec 5th home owners meeting may take care of all that awful stuff that is going around. You know all those lies! Those awful people who tell tales about our administrator and our President. Shame on you! but keep it up because most of it is true.
posted by Anonymous: 4:50 PM, November 26, 2013
Is there any particular reason for your sarcasm - you talk about other people's attitudes - maybe you need to work on yours. Minutes are posted now for all to read - patience is a virtue that you obviously know nothing about.
posted by Anonymous: 5:03 PM, November 26, 2013
There have been no minutes of the November 12 board meeting posted on the board's web site or, unless we've been deleted from their list, distributed to owners by email in the usual manner.
posted by Anonymous: 6:53 PM, November 26, 2013
Having now seen the Minutes, I have an observation. We've been told (through Jim R.) that legal difficulties experienced by the Administration are the result of incompetent or "Taliban" lawyers. Now, the bank account problem is said to have been caused by the accountant, who I understand has been El Parque's accountant for quite some time. Personally, I tend to become suspicious when I see the "blame game" being played to this degree.
posted by Anonymous: 7:32 AM, December 01, 2013
David R. is a professional Mexican accountant working for a professional accounting firm in Guadalajara. He is thoroughly familiar with all Mexican accounting and banking laws and procedures as is the firm for which he works. Technically, he is our Administrator's employee and not the employee of the board of Directors or the homeowners. He has been working on behalf of El Parque for 8 years and has never before missed a deadline or committed any violation in those 8 years.
His job is to record El Parque's income and expenses and submit an annual report of such to the Mexican government and El Parque. For six of those eight years he has reported that El Parque spent more money than they took in. When that occurred (6 times) he checked our bank account balances at the end of each year. If the amount in our end-of-year bank account balances met or exceeded the amount we overspent, he was satisfied and reported his satisfaction to the Mexican government and El Parque. He neither asked nor cared whether the source of the amount in our bank accounts was pre-paid fees for the upcoming year. That was not his concern. El Parque was considered solvent and that condition was reported at each AGM.
Given these circumstances, I am confused about one thing (or 6 occurrences of one thing). It is reasonable that we could have spent more money than we took in during six separate years,but where did the overspent money come from? If we used pre-paid fees from the upcoming year, that money was surely reimbursed in the next year's budget. After reviewing every budget over the years, I, personally, cannot find any budget item or indication that pre-spent money was reimbursed at any time. I have been told it was "taken care of" but no one has ever provided any documentation of how or when it was "taken care of".
I'm not accusing anyone of anything but I'm confused. Could it be that the accumulation of those 6 apparently unresolved over-expenditures have reached the point where pre-paid 2014 fees currently in our accounts are not sufficient to render us solvent in David's annual report?
Perhaps getting a new accountant could be the answer. Surely, no reputable accounting firm will take on El Parque's finances without some kind of an audit and I doubt they will simply accept Quick Books reports at face value. Hopefully, they will find that all of the 2014 fees that have been paid are sitting untouched in our bank accounts. That would resolve ALL of our financial problems once and for all and we will all be satisfied and very happy.
posted by Anonymous: 10:44 AM, December 01, 2013
I declined to attend the recent homeowners' meeting so it is entirely possible that I got this wrong, but I am confused. In the recent board minutes, it was reported that our accountant, David R. was somehow (unexplained) responsible for the frozen accounts at HSBC. I understand that at the homeowners' meeting, the board said that the frozen accounts had to do with suspected money laundering by HSBC. Which is it? Is the Administrator and Board looking for another bank? Why? If all our money is now at Actinver and the vast majority of homeowners have accounts at Actinver (Lloyds) why look for another bank? Actinver, (previously Lloyds)is now a bank and can handle any and all our transactions. Why complicate our finances by moving money from bank to bank? Very confusing!!!
posted by Anonymous: 9:35 AM, December 07, 2013
Rather than speculate as to the banking issue, why don;t you just go to the office and ask the question directly. Your comments once again are full of inuendo -
posted by Anonymous: 9:02 PM, December 07, 2013
To anonymous 9:02 - Thank you for your fact filled reply to my comment. It clears everything up. If the same source tells you that black is white on one occasion, then tells you black is orange on another occasion, are you going to go back to that source for further color expertise?
posted by Anonymous: 6:24 AM, December 08, 2013
I agree with you anonymous: 6:24 AM, December 08, 2013 that asking a source that has presented confusing information is unreliable. So I went to other professional sources (Accountants, Business People and Lawyers) and asked what was happening at HSBC. The reply is there is an unofficial agreement with the Mexican Government and HSBC. What is known is HSBC is closing accounts. The account holders receive a letter their account has been closed, period.
posted by Anonymous: 7:29 AM, December 08, 2013
So, the Minutes were just plain wrong and the accountant was not responsible? Hmmmm. Has the search committee for a new accountant been dissolved? Oh who knows what to believe ...
posted by Anonymous: 1:14 PM, December 08, 2013
It is not a matter of what to believe but one of whom to disbelieve. Truths held silent - self serving distortion – attention diversion - transparent pretense, all traits of artful dodging. Those comfortable in the role are called “liars”.
Taken alone, liars are easy to deal with. You have only to confront their deceits as pointers to hidden truths.
People who believe lies are less easy to fathom. They are called “stupid”. They can be brought to believe anything, except that they are. The best way to deal with one is don’t.
El Parque has its share of both sorts jointly working in mutual service. The trick for overcoming their influence is to continue doing what they don’t.
posted by Anonymous: 5:19 PM, December 08, 2013
to anonymous 5:19 - are you sure you are not on some hallucinogenic drug - your posting makes no sense whatsoever- your ramblings are incomprehensible. Get a life...
posted by Anonymous: 7:24 PM, December 08, 2013
To anonymous 7.24
STUPID you are.
posted by Anonymous: 6:55 AM, December 09, 2013
I find 5:19 perfectly comprehensible, and I agree. Maybe 7:24 finds the syntax difficult and consequently has chosen to ignore the point of the comment rather than deal with it.
posted by Anonymous: 7:33 AM, December 09, 2013
To Anonymous: 7:29 AM, December 08, 2013. Thanks for delving further into the HSBC issue. El Parque's account(s) at HSBC have been closed and, supposedly, the money in that/those accounts have been moved to Actinver. Do you happen to know whether ALL HSBC accounts were closed or if only certain accounts were closed? If all accounts were closed, OK, so be it. If only certain accounts were closed, it could be very important to know what criteria was used to determine which accounts, including ours, were closed.
I don't like making assumptions but it seems logical that all our expenses are currently being paid by checks written against our Actinver account(s). If Actinver (Lloyds) is bailing us out of this HSBC mess and has been there for us for the last 9 or 10 years, why on earth are we looking for another bank to use? There may, indeed, be a very good reason but I would like to know what that reason could be.
posted by Anonymous: 7:43 AM, December 09, 2013
I fail to understand why our Administrator has not investigated the HSBC bank account issue and clarified and communicated the implications, if any, for EP. From what I understood from the latest Minutes, she is on the "search committee" for a new accountant, which now appears to be moot (?). This whole thing doesn't appear to be particularly complicated or involve "Taliban lawyers" or any of the other excuses offered by apologists for the Administration. So what's the problem?
posted by Anonymous: 12:33 PM, December 09, 2013
HSBC account closure: HSBC Mexico performed an audit on all accounts and if there were any errors in the documents on file or missing documentation for the account or documentation considered falsified the account was closed. For a condominium a reason the account was closed is the names on the signature card or on the account.
posted by Anonymous: 9:31 AM, December 10, 2013
So now what? will we ever know the truth?
posted by Anonymous: 7:49 PM, December 10, 2013
who really cares what the truth is - the important thing is that the monies are unfrozen and protected elsewhere. Think positively.
posted by Anonymous: 5:46 PM, December 11, 2013
THAT would be a nice truth
posted by Anonymous: 8:16 PM, December 11, 2013
I AM thinking positive. I'm positive one day we will pay dearly for all the lies that are fed to us but you don't appear to care.
posted by Anonymous: 9:28 AM, December 12, 2013
Don't know if it is so. Never can tell around here. But gossip had it there was an unscheduled, unannounced,(emergency?), and illegal board meeting yesterday. And today is Friday the 13th. Ay! I have a feeling we are all DOOMED!
posted by Anonymous: 6:03 AM, December 13, 2013
Nothing illegal about having an unannounced meet unless they don't publish the minutes of it.
posted by Anonymous: 9:04 AM, December 13, 2013
You should all be turned over to the RCMP.
posted by Anonymous: 7:58 AM, December 14, 2013
El Parque is in Mexico.
RCMP (Royal CANADIAN Mounted Police ?).
posted by Anonymous: 9:03 AM, December 14, 2013
I don’t know. “RCMP” may have seemed appropriate at least for one or some. I once distributed a general and rather innocuous owners’ email that brought a curious response. It warned I was being reported to the RCMP. I deferred from inquiring the color of the horse Dudley would be riding.
A bold “Mexico begins outside our gate” was once shouted from the back of an owners’ meeting. I am led to believe that may have been understood as “Canada begins inside our gate” in the mind of at least one resident.
Two questions remain. I now wonder how many more ascribe to that premise, and, for protection sake since I don’t, yet ponder the color of Dudley’s horse.
posted by Anonymous: 7:03 AM, December 16, 2013
To EP Administration: The Courts will be closed until 6 January 2014.
posted by Anonymous: 12:08 PM, December 16, 2013
To all the folks who read this blog, HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
posted by Anonymous: 5:28 PM, December 18, 2013
That's the first positive sentiment expressed on this blog. Wouldn't it be wonderful if you could continue in this vein in the new year.
posted by Anonymous: 4:20 PM, December 19, 2013
Interesting, a desire for positivity expressed in negative terms. Pues, the blog seems to have no rules disqualifying oxymoronic comments. Por eso, te deseo una Feliz Navidad y Prospero Año Nuevo tambien Tonto.
posted by Anonymous: 6:05 AM, December 20, 2013
I'm sure we'll all do our best to bring joy into the New Year by starting the New Year out on the right foot.
posted by Anonymous: 9:31 AM, December 20, 2013
Really! and what foot is that?
posted by Anonymous: 6:32 PM, December 20, 2013
Unfortunately most of the people who live here do not know left from right or right from wrong, they just go by what some one had said to them and them being a friend they run with it, very very sad the ones that can not see what is really going on with out some one telling you what to do and SAY?
posted by Anonymous: 3:13 PM, December 21, 2013
The right foot to some may very well feel like the wrong foot to others.
posted by Anonymous: 9:34 PM, December 21, 2013
To anonymous 3:13 Dec. 21 - why do you continue to talk in circles - why don't you just lay out your real concerns for all to evaluate and then we wouldn't have to hear it from a friend, but from the SOURCE.
posted by Anonymous: 8:57 AM, December 22, 2013
To 8:57 -- Just read this blog. And "evaluate".
posted by Anonymous: 9:26 AM, December 23, 2013
To Anonymous: 8:57 AM, December 22, 2013. Your post is partly accurate and very timely. The past 17 posts on this blog have been anonymous comments from anonymous posters about anonymous topics. Comments about the RCMP, Dudley Do right, holiday seasons, and rumor generation serve no purpose. Prior to this recent rash of useless rhetoric, however, a great many concerns have been laid out in clear detail on this blog. Sadly, the only responses to these concerns have been comments about some undefined hateful, spiteful group, the RCMP, and personal attacks on anyone who attempts to voice concerns. These attacks have never been accompanied by ANY rebuttal information that might be specifically related to the posted concerns . It appears to me that the validity or invalidity of concerns are not important to most homeowners. The very concept of concerns is what is disturbing and inconvenient to the majority of homeowners. They seem to feel that those who have concerns, right or wrong, should be forced to stop voicing those concerns by any means possible (deportation, criminal prosecution, shunning or banishment from the community need not be excluded).
I, personally, would like to see some valid, documented information posted by homeowners or, more specifically, by the board, in rebuttal to the many concerns that have been voiced on this blog. That would be helpful and could change some minds. "Shut up and do what you're told" is not a rebuttal that is effective outside a kindergarten class.
posted by Anonymous: 10:25 AM, December 23, 2013 , 2013
To Anonymous: 8:57 AM, December 22, 2013: Of course, your absolutely right. Even at the last homeowner's meeting not one question was asked of any topic brought up by the BOD members with the exclusion the collection of dues for one casa. The people of EP would rather pay Lawyers lawsuits and fines than to pay attention to what the Administration is actually doing. They just find life more simple and mindless to let things happen without their input or knowledge. It does make one wonder if their lack of interest stretches beyond the border to the place they call home. This is a winter playground for most, fun without the snow and responsibilities. It's their choice to see nothing, hear nothing, speak nothing. The loud roar of silence can be deafening at times.
posted by Anonymous: 2:26 PM, December 23, 2013
SOLAR PANELS for the club house? What club house? why not call it what it is the BAR and GRILL, now since the refrigerators that are hidden in the bodaga take all the juice i.e. electricity the BAR and GRILL should pay for the panels. Do you agree? Maybe just maybe that is what they have in mind?
posted by Anonymous: 6:28 AM, December 24, 2013
yessssssssss, I agree.
posted by Anonymous: 6:03 AM, December 25, 2013
I've had some experience with solar power and although it can be a very useful technology, the set up costs need to be taken into account. For example, the cost of the panels themselves have come down in recent years, but batteries and converters remain pricey. Consulting with a professional is vital.
A simple alternative is available. Unload/sell off the power guzzling Clubhouse appliances. Since every house in El Parque has a refrigerator, those who choose to drink cold beverages at the Clubhouse could just bring them from home. Plastic coolers also work well. Food can be handled the same way.
posted by Anonymous: 6:58 AM, December 27, 2013
Even an unprofessional eye can look up to the ceiling in the clubhouse at those beams and come to the conclusion that they may not support the number of solar panels needed to do us much good. Count on a lot more money to remove the roof and tiles to install steel beams.
posted by Anonymous: 12:11 PM, December 27, 2013
I must agree with the last post, 6:58 sell off all the large Electric guzzlers starting starting with that large freezer in the back room that is hidden from everyone and that no home owner even asked for plus the beer fridge that is in the club house almost everyone always brings their own drinks, and the other beer that is stored in the back room is again delivered by Bruce to the homes. Again I see some profit being made here but by who? Once again this will be one more question that the home owners will never know. Solar panels forget them some one will just get paid off to have them installed and we will be left with the up keep and cost of having them maintained, higher condo fees for all.
posted by Anonymous: 12:31 PM, December 27, 2013
I vote to have our club house back, no more CASH BAR or Costco food.
It would save the home owners the cost of gas, and electricity big time!
PLEASE NO SOLAR PANELS!
Just think, new roof to hold the panels. How moronic is that?
posted by Anonymous: 2:44 PM, December 27, 2013
I've had an opportunity to review Terry B.'s email re. the "Solar Energy Project". Much as I'm a proponent of solar energy, my primary concern is whether it is actually necessary to put in a USD $30,000 investment (minimum!) solely to save 50% on the common area electricity bills. The information did not include an estimate of the proportion of electricity costs that is attributable to the large appliances associated with the Clubhouse. I suspect it could be close to 50%, in which case, the suggestion (above) regarding "unloading/selling" those appliances would be worth investigating. In my experience, before retrofitting a solar energy system, it is essential to reduce electricity use as far as possible in order to avoid having the cost of retrofitting be prohibitive. The "estimate" set out in Terry's document does seem to be prohibitive, given that there seems to be no recognition of efforts that can be made to reduce electricity usage.
posted by Anonymous: 10:05 AM, December 28, 2013
Well said and I totally agree.
posted by Anonymous: 11:31 AM, December 28, 2013
Will we never learn? Over the last 8 or 9 years every single problem and unnecessary expense in El Parque has been caused by one of two things. 1) Over-enthusiastic board members who have taken it upon themselves to assume the duties and authorities of an Administrator by embarking on projects that they, personally, do not have the skills or authority to perform; or 2) Homeowners who want to apply their self-perceived expertise to do something they have no business doing.
We are in Mexico and we have a Mexican Administrator. Do we have high electricity bills, water problems, pool heating problems, fees collection problems, etc.? Simply tell the Administrator to fix those problems and get out of the way. As long as board members and well-intentioned homeowners continue to involve themselves in Administrator duties, we will continue to create havoc for ourselves here in El Parque. If we find that the Administrator and her staff can't fix our problems, we need a new Administrator and a much less active board. I, personally, think the Administrator and her staff have been doing a good job and will continue to do a good job if the board and homeowners would just let her do her job without interference or advice.
The Administrator and the Board are not and should not be a team. The Administrator and her staff do the jobs. The homeowners, through the Board, define what they want done and provide the financing to get it done. Simple, isn't it? Why can't we do it?
posted by Anonymous: 8:20 AM, December 30, 2013
I would like to point out that the social activities are a major contributor to what MAKES El Parque so desirable. People put a lot of time and effort into organizing events that provide enjoyment for many.
I do think that they should be self-supporting, so "donations" make that possible. Just because some people choose not to attend doesn't mean the facilities should not be a "capital" budget item/expense. For e.g. You may not use the gym, but it's there for your enjoyment as well. We are billed as a resort and that includes common areas and equipment. Otherwise we would just be a condo complex with no amenities.
posted by Anonymous: 8:44 AM, December 30, 2013
Our 35 foot trailer had seven large solar panels mounted on its roof, a bank of three heavy batteries, and a 12 to 120 volt inverter.
We could stay without external electric power on Hudson Bay or a Carolina island a month or so at a time and enjoy the use of electricity. SORT OF. Of course there had to be sun. Even then, electricity use required extreme caution. Internal appliances were little problem. Microwaves and morning coffee runs only 5 or so minutes and campfires cooked better food. TV’s of the day used little power. Not so now. No stations around anyhow. Lighting. Ok but limited. Learn to live with the sun. Evenings are the domain of insects.
Internal heating? Use the dangerous catalytic propane heater carefully and only if really necessary. Blankets are nicer. Hot water? Brief showers or don’t. Dishes? Campfire.
Refrigeration? Forget it! Our relatively small refrigerator-freezer took batteries down in nothing flat. Trailers are outfitted with switchable propane/electric refrigerators. Carry an extra tank.
There was a large contingent of amateur radio operators in this area through the 90’s. It is the nature of such sorts to favor games of proving who can wire the most things before dyeing the winner with mic in hand. Their mouths watered at the prospect of Solar. FREE! Yes Sir, we can operate when, as long as we want, save the world, and pay nothing!
As one of them, I presented a formal seminar to the local ham community. They did not like what they heard for It dashed their dreamed eagerness to be really super techies. At least in their application, solar power did not even inch close to fitting the bill. Much cheaper and efficient would be to acquire a few batteries and cheap charger, keep them up and ready to go around the clock if necessary.
During our condo’s development, I watched two solar systems installed in El Parque’s the club house area. Each was then torn out for improper function. A third may or may not still be in place. If so, I have no idea of its functioning.
In my limited opinion, solar paneling the club house amounts to the same sort jumping at imaginative straws and I question the motivation. A lesson learned was never try to cool things with the sun.
posted by Anonymous: 4:37 PM, December 30, 2013
Reply to Anonymous 8:44: Exactly who in the heck have you been talking to that "billed" this place as a resort?? We are a condo of medium size with a heated pool and a gym equipped with donated equipment. We are NOT a resort, never have been a resort and anyone who told you that was pulling your leg. This isn't a play ground, it's home to many. As for entertainment we had as much, if not more fun several years ago. It's from several years ago that EP got it's reputation as a fun place to live.
posted by Anonymous: 7:31 PM, December 30, 2013
I am going to tell you 8:44 what for us makes your fantasized resort "so desirable". It is our HOME. Let that sink in.
posted by Anonymous: 7:43 PM, December 30, 2013
To Anonymous 8:44. If you are advertising the rental of your home as being in a resort community that is full of fun and entertainment than you can pay the 30 grand to enhance the place. Those of us that have made this our home are not here to provide your renters with a resort experience.
posted by Anonymous: 7:55 PM, December 30, 2013
Has everyone enjoyed our extended recent rash of clear bright warm sunny days? Don’t they just beg for installation of solar panels?
posted by Anonymous: 8:36 PM, December 30, 2013
Only if you want to pay for them and maintain them ???????
posted by Anonymous: 9:07 PM, December 30, 2013
When faced with electricity bills that are deemed too high, the first step is to do a full assessment of the devices and appliances for which electricity is billed. There is a gadget called an "energy meter" that is used to establish the energy usage of individual appliances. Once the actual usage per appliance or device has been established, then the next step is a cost-benefit analysis to determine whether or not the individual appliance is sufficiently useful to justify the electricity cost. Following that, it is necessary to investigate whether or not there are alternatives to the appliances or whether a cost recovery user fee procedure should be put in place. In short, before committing to a major capital cost investment, such as a solar energy set-up, electricity usage needs to be properly assessed and analysed in order to arrive at a fiscally responsible and practical solution. If this analysis has already been completed, then the results should be shared with homeowners.
posted by Anonymous: 7:06 AM, December 31, 2013
I don't think any home owner needs to have a electrical degree to figure out what is using all of this power, just remember we did not have any of these problems before these energy suckers where installed in the back room and the club house became a bar and grill? Let us get rid of all of this garbage and just go back to being a club house and having fun.This whole thing is starting to get a little thin.
posted by Anonymous: 9:19 AM, December 31, 2013
posted by Anonymous: 10:29 AM, December 31, 2013
You are my sunshine,
My only sunshine,
You’ll cool my drinks,
When skies are grey,
You’ll never know,
How much I need them,
Please don’t take,
Terry’s panels away.
Now their Terry's panels, could they not find someone more qualified. We as homeowners are really looking for a big assessment. Can this board not just get back to simple living and enjoy what we have instead of create more COST and problems for the people who already live here full time.
posted by Anonymous: 10:46 AM, December 31, 2013
Re. Dec 30 8:44 -- Any homeowner who profits by inducing persons to rent his or her home by claiming El Parque is a resort facility rather than a condominium residential complex is engaging in fraud. Renters who have been misled in this manner are entitled to claim compensation from the homeowner.
posted by Anonymous: 10:48 AM, December 31, 2013
Re post 10:29 Must, must, must take up a collection from all of the happy and proud residents of this resort/condo/community/facility (???). A new and illuminated, and illuminating, sign for above the entrance to EP. ABANDON ALL HOPE, ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE.
posted by Anonymous: 10:52 AM, December 31, 2013
This Solar Panel thing that Terry B is trying to push on the homeowners is simply the most outrageous idea, where is he coming from?? Canada I know but where in his head?
We had a great Social Comm. for about. 5 yrs, once a month we had a dinner dances people BYOB we had real food and great music provided by a homeowner. Then something happened the club house was taken over by 3 board members, I was told by one of them it was an extension of our home, NOT MY HOME, a BAR? no way! some renters and some homeowners don't give a damn, can't see what is happening, who stands to gain by this enterprise? have you seen any real accounting figures posted?
Someone called EP "A RESORT" if you think it is you have not been to one. This is "HOME" to many of us in a very pretty little village not a "TRAILER PARK" not a "RESORT" some are ruining our village, for a profit? maybe.
posted by Anonymous: 11:02 AM, December 31, 2013
Anonymous 7:06 a.m. Dec. 31st, - you make the most sense of anyone so far - would have to assume that the current refrigerators in the clubhouse are not energy efficient but that can be determined easily enough. Thank you for contributing something sensible.
posted by Anonymous: 11:58 AM, December 31, 2013
Re. 7:06 -- I find it hard to believe that Terry B. and others have taken the solar project to this stage without doing a full energy audit of the appliances at the Clubhouse. If this HAS been done, I for one would like to see the results. If it hasn't yet been done, then get cracking. As homeowners, we are entitled to all this information before deciding whether a major capital cost investment should even be considered, let alone implemented.
posted by Anonymous: 2:09 PM, December 31, 2013
Calm down everyone - it is just a proposal and nothing, but nothing will be implemented without a vote at an extraordinary meeting. And yes, first things first, check out the consumption of electricity with the current appliances. Not sure why everyone gets so worked up. Terry has made a proposal and that is all it is. So relax, welcome in the New Year with a more positive disposition. Prospero ano nuevo
posted by Anonymous: 5:48 PM, December 31, 2013
Calm down? We are calm just fed up with people like Terry B. & Co. Terry should have checked out the consumption, as you said, BEFORE coming out with such an idiotic plan. We all know about the fridges in the Bar and Grill, but then that's Terry B., we have proof he's (Edit: "Content removed"). Now, really, how can anyone take (Edit: "Content removed"). HAPPY NEW YEAR FOLKS! I believe 2014 is going to be very interesting.
posted by Anonymous: 9:14 PM, December 31, 2013
Re. 5:48 Dec 31 -- It may have been "just" a proposal, but judging from the document forwarded by Terry B., this whole solar thing has reached the point where the proposal document has been forwarded to homeowners for, presumably, discussion. So, on this blog, it is being discussed. Nothing to do with being "positive" or "negative" or any of that nonsense.
In my view, it's a lousy and expensive idea that has been put forward without sufficient preliminary investigation or analysis. But given the remarkable level of apathy of most homeowners that has been displayed in the past, it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that the proposal would simply be passed in the usual way, with most blindly accepting the administration's less than bright ideas. Not surprising, then, that some who comment on this blog have serious concerns. Of course, the fact that homeowners have BEEN paying the extraordinary electricity costs for the refrigeration appliances without these having been voted on would lead some to be less than sanguine about the whole issue.
posted by Anonymous: 9:14 PM, 7:08 AM, January 01, 2014
To anonymous 7.06 Dec 31st
Please explain, since you appear to be very knowledgeable on the subject of Solar Panels, what is meant by "cost recovery user fee procedure" Your explanation would be most helpful. Thanks
posted by Anonymous: 12:20 PM, January 01, 2014
To 12:20 Jan 1, re. my comment of 7:06 am Dec 31 --
That expression is just a quick way of saying that, in a non-profit situation, those who use a service would pay an amount that would cover ALL costs of the service.
To summarize some of the relevant points of this issue:
- At no time was the purchase and operating costs of the new clubhouse refrigeration appliances voted on by homeowners.
- It appears that operating costs (namely, the costs of electricity to power these appliances) had not been considered or accurately assessed in advance. When some raised objections, the complaints were met with stony silence or were told that the appliances were purchased with "donations" and therefore did not require consent of homeowners. (Comments on these electricity costs are also found throughout this blog.)
- Having found that electricity bills for the clubhouse have risen significantly (doubled?) since the installation of these appliances, a proposal has been circulated regarding the installation of a solar energy system to cover the increased costs. This system would be paid for by all homeowners.
- The appliances are supposedly used exclusively to store and refrigerate food and beverages for residents who choose to participate in Happy Hour once a week, and the occasional extra event. Residents provide "donations" to cover the cost of the food and beverages they consume. However, the electricity costs are borne by all homeowners who, in effect, are subsidizing those who choose to purchase food and beverages at Happy Hour. Homeowners did not vote to do so.
- Although it appears that the administration has failed to accurately assess the electricity usage of the refrigeration appliances, it can be assumed (until otherwise demonstrated) that the cost of electricity probably constitutes %40 to %60 of the clubhouse electricity bill. I shudder to think how much electricity is used to power these appliances during the heat of the dry season.
- The easiest way to deal with the increased electricity costs would be for those who purchase food and beverages at the clubhouse to cover the full cost of electricity in addition to the costs of the food. Should that prove "too expensive", then a cost-benefit analysis would indicate that it isn't worth it to have large power guzzling appliances in place simply to provide food and beverages to residents once a week. (The appliances could be sold, and the revenue applied to the clubhouse electricity bills.)
Personally, I resent subsidizing those who purchase food and drinks at Happy Hour; I assume that residents of El Parque do not require charity or subsidies to be able to buy a meal once a week. To then install a solar energy system, costing upwards of USD$30,000, in order to continue subsidizing a social event would be, to put it politely, fiscally irresponsible.
posted by Anonymous: 7:43 AM, January 02, 2014
To anonymous 7.43 Jan 2, 2014
Thank you for your very clear explanation of the club house "solar system" proposal.
It is hoped that all who read the blog will agree with you that it is "fiscally irresponsible"
posted by Anonymous: 8:41 AM, January 02, 2014
The white board by the office had a very clear statement, Jan1st, that some people who run the HH are not happy! A short time later the board was removed. ?? Hope they have kissed and made up.
posted by Anonymous: 8:51 AM, January 02, 2014
posted by Anonymous: 9:10 AM, January 02, 2014
Reply to 13:20
Shucks, you laid that out so well that it more than likely ruined my plans to take my crock pot down to the clubhouse every day and cook my evening meal for 6-8 hours on somebody else's nickel. Probably can't get away with it now.
posted by Anonymous: 9:17 AM, January 02, 2014
Our community name includes Villas Y COUNTRY. Highlights from the colored brochure I was given when I purchased in 2003:
"El Parque has been designed to make your care-free retirement a joyful one, offering you comfortable and affordable private homes and A WIDE VARIETY OF ACTIVITIES AND SERVICES TO ENHANCE YOUR SOCIAL LIFE and physical health in a warm and friendly environment. ...24 hrs emergency telephone number for health and security (programmed in your phone) Property Management (rental). Plus maid and gardeners available for your comfort. Club house area. (SNACK BAR with home delivery services, heated swimming pool, jacuzzi, massage room, BBQ terraces, social activities, Tai Chi, painting classes, handcraft classes and more)."
(Capitals used for emphasis)
posted by Anonymous: 9:47 AM, January 02, 2014
Refrigerators and freezers suck an enormous amount of juice, as do electric stoves and clothes dryers. The difference is that fridges and freezers run 24/7. As noted by Anon. 4:37pm Dec 30, a "relatively small refrigerator-freezer took batteries down in nothing flat." That is my experience, as well. In Europe, where electricity prices are also very high, people rely on what for the average North American would be inconveniently small fridges. I suspect that the person or persons responsible for buying the fridge/freezers at the Clubhouse simply did not think of actual operating costs since most North Americans still don't think about energy efficiency and just pay for what they consider "necessities", including massive fridges. This mistake can be easily remedied by selling off the power guzzlers at the Clubhouse.
posted by Anonymous: 11:14 AM, January 02, 2014
So much for brochures 9:47. Sure the advertising was there. It was primarily directed at Guadalajara families looking for a city get-away. Plans were made to have club house promotional sessions. Yes, a cable Snack bar/restaurant intercom communication system and emergency services were planned. So was a LICENCED snack bar.
None of those occurred. Cash from way up north seemingly descended overnight and purchased property faster than the developer could keep up with it while busy getting the condo licensed. Many in body and word came from can’t give it up for the trailer park will live forever folk vacationing from their REAL homes elsewhere. Banks up there pay nothing anyhow. Might as well buy here, wait a little, inflate the hell out of it and get richer on poor "undeveloped" Mexican backs. I laugh that the government is finally putting the squeeze on these leeches.
The developer was the condo’s first Administrator. The first president told me “He isn’t working out. We have to find another” and asked for advice he didn’t like or take. Well, no thanks to him we acquired one, a good one. Luis took it and then soon quit along with two disgusted board members because the newly knews wouldn’t let Luis do his job.
Every new nose deemed itself an expert in running a condo, all learned in the northern lands of pretent. Former engineers and mini business "executives" galore believed they could do things better than their employees. After all, they were from a "developed" country. There was an ego filling slot for each new comer to try and take over what they had not the slightest ideas of how to accomplish in a strange land and culture they tried to turn into the even stranger lands and cultures from which they embarked. It was "Get out of the way, and let me do it my way", and "If you don't I'll do it anyway". Omar and his plan were in their way. I sensed him coming to think "Ok its yours' fools, I'll move on to bigger and better things with people who know of the ground they walk upon." Picture an empty northern bobsled accelerating in uncontrolled fashion downhill since.
One of the first "What the hell's" that taught me to know these people was when they fired Cecilia. She was the cleaning lady from San Antonio and long standing personal friend. One new hot shot told me we have to get rid of her because she WALKED too slow. She had worked diligently in the trailer park for 18 years. But they believed that as a new and different company, there was no moral/legal obligation due Cecila. WALKED TOO SLOW! 18 YEARS! Civilized people from any country that really is just don’t do that.
You are just not my sort. Nor, do I guess am I of yours'. My own journey to settle here was with substantial motive of distancing from the likes of those I tired of and could no longer stomach living among. Whatever, we ARE now bound to live among each other but by no more than pieces of paper, bricks, soil, and phony amiability. I don’t have to like either that situation, you, or your ways. There is nothing that says I have to associate with you in any manner but paying for services due whether received, lied about, or not. Same applies to you. Let it be!
But you run along and play. I’ll sit here and stay. It is my HOME. What does that mean to you, HOME? Take it as you wish, but take it and live with it! It is not going to change while you and I share presence in one or another manner upon this land.
posted by Anonymous: 12:27 PM, January 02, 2014
Anonymous 9.47 Jan 2nd 2014
Do you believe everything you read?
and where does it say "resort"
what the Mexican's probably meant was "Country Villas." and not "Villas and Country" something was lost in the translation.
posted by Anonymous: 1:02 PM, January 02, 2014
Dear me, trouble in "paradise"! Have they kissed and made up yet? if not, who will do the cooking and who will be the bar tender? Bruce is going to be a very busy boy! or maybe not, there are a lot of helpers such as Terry and Co.
"Happy Hour" WILL stay Happy! a lot of food to consume yet!
posted by Anonymous: 1:18 PM, January 02, 2014
Yes, that was a nice advertising touch that Omar wrote up 10 years ago but keep dreaming. 6 months out of the year we are at 25-30% occupancy and for the most part they're happy cooking their Costco food at home or going out to dinner. If you can't do that much for yourself than maybe you should consider the full service of a nursing home.
posted by Anonymous: 1:53 PM, January 02, 2014
Hellooooo! anyone in the office?
Will our administrator advise the home owners where to pay our condo fees? January 3rd today and no news
posted by Anonymous: 3:51 PM, January 03, 2014
Money, money, is it all about the Money? Maybe we can make some sense of it by focusing for the moment only on our administration's released information and instructions. Ok, so fees were due two days ago, but where, how much, and how to pay?. Also wondering, how much does El Parque have if anything?
We’ve fired out accountant, the only person to assure the government we are financially solvent. (They prefer professionally certified Mexican accountants over up north home computer Quick Book wizards). We are looking for another accountant but no word yet on that.
We’ve been instructed to pay ONLY into our HSBC account while not forgetting the silliness of adding centavos to represent our lot numbers. BUT WAIT! That bank has frozen our account. No word yet on why, what if anything we have there, or if it still is.
We do maintain an account at Bank Activer but our administration has ordered it is to be used ONLY for deposit of foreign checks and no others. We’ve been told anything else must be paid to the now frozen account.
Our bylaws forbid cash paid fees (possibly contrary to federal monetary law). A homeowner tried a long time ago and was administration castigated up and down the moral scale for trying. The owners finally took the money to court. The administration has yet to take any action for recovery of those funds.
So that’s what they’ve told us. It is a bit more than confusing. The Bar and Grill seems the only place here that recognizes real Mexican money. Would they take my fees? Probably not. What passes there is darkly unaccounted by and for anyone. And now those on that board team publicly record themselves as internally squabbling, charging, splitting and quitting.
Our administrator and board cohorts are doing a good job? Seems here as though we do not HAVE an administration.
posted by Anonymous: 11:42 PM, January 03, 2014
January 6th and still no news where to pay our condo fees. Maybe we should give it to the courts?
posted by Anonymous: 11:42 PM, 10:19 AM, January 06, 2014
Good comment! But at the rate the administration deals with "payments into court", it could be YEARS before your fees are collected
posted by Anonymous: 11:54 AM, January 06, 2014
We were advised to pay our condo fees at Banco Actinver S.A.
posted by Anonymous: 5:08 PM, January 08, 2014
We are not satisfied with the slipshod way this outfit handles our money. They offer little information. When they do, it comes across as “best you not know Children”. After every thing that has happened here, we just do not trust them. We will pay our fees only after a proper and recordable billing is received and El Parque sets a system set in place for its office to present a receipt at the moment of payment in the form of a government recognized legal factura. There will be no payment from us in any other manner ordered. They don’t get to tell us where and how we must bank. Those are our choices. They are not our masters.
posted by Anonymous: 6:50 PM, January 08, 2014
Our condo fees are going up ?? WHY?
posted by Anonymous: 3:20 PM, January 09, 2014
Fees are going up because some one must pay for the way this board has been running things around here for the last two years, probably will get worse before it ever gets better.
posted by Anonymous: 7:07 PM, January 10, 2014
It sure as hell not getting better. Why are more homeowners wanting to leave EP? The tone of our condo has changed since 2005, EP has become more and more a rental haven a money making enterprise. A bloddy shame that a few can change the lives of so many!
posted by Anonymous: 10:09 AM, January 11, 2014
That is because the majority are letting the few do any thing they want around here. Yes this was a much better place back in 2005. We think that it is about time that the real majority start to speak out and stand up for some of your rights that we have all been paying for all these years.
posted by Anonymous: 2:20 PM, January 11, 2014
Will the new BoD just take over where the old left off? "nothing stays the same" it is said, in this case it maybe worst, why? going by what we experienced, the last board has tryed to out do the previous one. Where do you hear of a President of a condo openly run a bar and grill in the club house?. What will be next? We heard that outsiders have held memorials in the club house that included a cash bar. Renters, of course, and it appears most homeowners just don't give a damn. Our fees are going up, is this to cover lawyers fees? and what else may I ask?
posted by Anonymous: 6:11 PM, January 11, 2014